I read this story in The Standard and I was appalled.What is the world coming to?I know bullying is a fact of life in high school but when it extends to sodomy, that is unacceptable!I know that some people have their own sick sexual predilections and they are entitled to them behind closed doors but to force them on someone is just depraved.Fact is that it would have been easy for them to sneak out of the school to find someone willing to partake in their shennanigans and enjoy it to boot.
I have a feeling that this isn't the first time that rabble have done something like that as they even had drugs on hand to render their victim immobile.I wouldn't be suprised if the same thing happens in those up country high schools where the administration turn a blind eye to bullying.
Even though the damage has been done, I think that the book should be thrown at those animals and they should be tried as adults and put behind bars for as soon as possible so they can each get a chance to be someone's bitch for a change.
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I read it too and it has sumbuad me sana. The perpertrators are nothing but the vilest creatures. If an eye for an eye, they need to be pelekwad somewhere and the same justice carried on them. Praying for the victim and his family.
where are all the pro homosexual England based kbw crew on this one .Is this the maendeleo you want for our country and children.Promoting western values that defile our sons! are they going to speak out on this or is the silence going to deafening
@ Kabinti
I know we are supposed to forgive but in this case I would not even consider it.This young man would never be the same.I have always supported the death sentence for child molesters too.But yes the family needs people's support now more then ever.
@ Joe
Whenever something like this happens it is always said that the perpetrators are depraved heterosexual men and not gay at all.Same thing happens whenever young boys and girls are sodomised.The LGBT community are always ready to tar the reputation of heteros especially men while claiming they are as white as snow and as innocent as a new born child.So I hear a deafening silence on this one my friend.
what disturbs me the most is the way the school administration is trying to keep it on the hush hush. if a student has to resort to sleeping in the classroom then that should have raised a red flag right there. how did he go unnoticed in the dorms? why was there such a long perioid of time between the rape and the lad being taken to hospital? why didn't they inform his parents about what really went on and what about that meeting that the students had? why was it so much of a secret? not to mention that the school hasn't released a statement and no officiial from the ministry of education has been sent to investigate. there are so many things wrong with this situation that it makes me mad, it looks like it would have been easily avoided if they had just looked at all the warning signs and dealt with those who were hounding the victim. instead, a teenager has been violated in one of the worst ways possible and left traumatised for life. in fact, i'm half expecting someone from the school's board of governor's to come out with a statement a week after this (and only because of the pressure from the public) and mumbling somethng about drugs. i'll post on this later this weekend but this is so, so so sad and unfair. the school system at upper hill is to blame for facilitating the situation and not doing anything about it. i hope the administration is held accountable for this travesty.
@ joe and aco
the way i see this it has nothing to do with what one's sexuality is and more with the issue that a rape occured. saying that the kenyan LGBT community should come out and address this alleged erosion of morals is like saying that everytime a woman is raped by a man the heterosexuals should come out and explain themselves. this is an issue of depraved individuals who want to wield their power over others. let's not lose focus of what is the problem here and that is rape, plain and simple, not who someone chooses to be with.
* i know wait for the backlash that i know is to come*
co-signing w/ spicey... if a man rapes a woman --- that is NOT my issue as a hetero woman. Don;t call Mutumia--- I DO NOT know you. That is assualt, criminal, felony etc.etc. and nothing to do with us heterosexuals who (really) enjoy consensual sex between two (or more Aco you nasty boy!) adults.
Sick, sick, sick!!
@joe, this is gang rape period! it should be condemned for the vile act that it is.
the pro-homo bashing doesn't cut. i get the feeling Joe that u think this is serious because it's a boy "our sons" defiled.
@kabinti, just how would an eye for an eye work in a case where the victim was female?
Rape is heinous, most terrible crime. It is sickening whether it's male or female who is victim.
Njoki Ndungu should reinsert the clause on castration. i think it'd ganner more support now.
No back lash from me if you choose to think those boys were born gay thats yours .
i am not bashing anyone but yes i feel that this left wing liberals should come out and defend or castigate on of their own . there is nothing wrong with that .right
I heard a story similar to this one some time back from a high school teacher. Only it was the son of a prominent personality who was the perpetrator(not a gang rape ). Guess what? The victim had to move schools because the boy who raped him could not be taken anywhere.
I would authoritatively say that those that pass through kenyan boarding schools do so by the grace of God. It is indeed possible to spend nights in the classroom and no one would notice anything.
Like this case has been brought to light thanks to the media imagine all those that go unreported.
Castration should have been let to stay in the Njoki Bill kwanza without anaesthetic if guilt is proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Rapists do not deserve any mercy.
@joseph whatever happens between two (or more) consenting adults is no one's business and you know this.
@ joe
you know what? you are entitled to your own opinion as much as i disagree with what you are trying to prove (of which i'm not really sure. are you saying that gay people should be held responsible? or that they need to apologise or something?). but i do know that you turning this into a "let the gay people explain this" kind of fiasco won't help matters at all. after all, i don't hear men being asked to explain everytime a woman is raped or a women having to explain why a man's extremities have been chopped off by his significant other. whatever happened to accountability for one's own actions?
regardless, i think it's notions like these that detract from the real stuff that needs to be addressed. how could it have been avoided? should the administrators who kept this under wraps be prosecuted? why was it allowed t happen over and over again and why, even after he "fell ill" was the crime not reported by those who should have had the mandate and decency and common sense to do so? and so on and so forth.
you calling out the LGBT community is just as bad as when people say that a woman deserved to get raped because she was walking alone after dark or if she was wearing trousers/a short skirt. its a dangerous line of thought that usually tends to detract (as in this case) from the seriousness of the crime.
ALL COMMENTS ARE PERSONAL AND NOTHING TO DO WITH MY RELIGIOUS VIEWS OR BELIEFS
Can i put it to you hear that i am not trying to side track people from the facts but the fact here is that two crimes have been commited. rape and sodomy.Two evils that we can not justify .
SIDE NOTE
let me also remind you all while i am in a LDP/ODM bashing mode that it is LDP that scaled down njoki ndungu's bill claiming that the law would prevent their sons from gettting wives.
@Aco - I read this earlier in the Standard and it made me sick - and worried. I went to boarding school and remember tht at 1030pm everyone had to be in bed and watchies went round the school rounding swotties (sp) and if you were found out after 1030pm that was punishment in itself - so I dont really understand why this would not have been noticed. The school should be held accountable, and if a student is ill, isnt the first thing to check them over and find out what is happening and then appropriate treatment administered.
Anyway this is really disturbing and sad. I hope that the poor boy finds the courage to face this, cos I dont think I would.
@Joe -
where are all the pro homosexual England based kbw crew on this one .Is this the maendeleo you want for our country and children.Promoting western values that defile our sons! are they going to speak out on this or is the silence going to deafening
Joe,
What can I say to you that hasnt already been said by Spice/Muts/Prou ?
If you dont get what is wrong with this issue Joe, just because you are projecting your homophobia and losing sight of the magnanimity of the crime committed, then I have absolutely nothing more to say to you.
BTW, sorry to burst your bubble, but the our sons you referred to, did this!
comeon guess! what other opportunity can a homophobe like myself get to push my agenda ... its a sad thing i know very sad ! i pray for that young man and his attackers . yes they are all our sons
The poor boy belongs to kenya.
The attackers sure must be liberal young kenyan men who are gay and probably lDP youth wingers(bagdad boys)
ok i have to stop even this is too much for me (slowly fading into the shadows)
@Joseph what other opportunity can a homophobe like myself get to push my agenda
Somebody once said (dont know whom) that you have to carefully choose your battles.. In your case, right cause, wrong vessel - or rather, right battle, wrong weapons.
The attackers sure must be liberal young kenyan men who are gay and probably lDP youth wingers(bagdad boys)
See what I mean?
Like I said before, with your reasoning, I have nothing further to add.
Kwess, do not waste your breath on Joe. He is trying to get a reaction and to insult kbw because he knows that he is nothing. This Joe guy blames everything on kbw. When Joe messes up during sex he tells his girlfriend, sorry but I did not perform because of kbw. When his bank asks him why he has not paid his bills he tells them it is because of kbw. When he nyambas in class he blames kbw. His arguments are so stupid he even disabled comments on his own blog because he knows he can not defend them. I am just sad that he always uses the name of God in vain. The bible verse Jer 14:14 was written about people like him.
Joe must be a repressed homosexual and has not yet managed to deal with it. He is trying to deal with his emotions by shouting out loud, but no one is listening.
Anonymous lol get over yourself.! atleaste have the balls to to come out in the open when stating your views against me. what are you scared of be a man and stop hiding behind skirts .you dont see me on your blog do you
@ spicebear
Yes the poor reaction by the school is disturbing.The fact that the students absence from the hostel and the mob being out at night not being noticed shows how lax the administration. The problem is that many Kenyan heads have turned a blind eye towards bullying for a long long time.I hope this time someone gets fired instead of being censured and transferred!
As for your other statement I didn't say that Kenya's LGBT community should come out and talk about it.But you must admit that whenever a woman is raoed by a man, women all over ask us as men this question,
"Why do you men rape women."
Hetero men world over carry the brunt of the few that rape and few want to understand but when the sins of a few of the LGBT are pointed out now is when you are up in arms.Double standards at work!
@ mutumia
I have said quite a bit above but I do know that at one time or more you as a woman after hearing a woman has been raped has asked questions like,
Why do you men rape women?
I have read such questions spouted on feminist blogs all over and validated by all but when the same is asked about LGBT people everyone is up in arms.
@ prou
Seems justice in Kenya can be blind.I think that when parents in Kenya send their children to boarding schools they need to be very very careful as without the restraining influence of parents anything can go wrong.
@ Guess
I think that if the parents have money they need to sue the school.A message must be sent to these schools that poor administration will not be tolerated no matter what!
As for Joe's comment I have addressed the part that I agree with up there.
@ Anonymus
I will not go into the beef that you have with Joe but I have to come in when you make a statement like this
Joe must be a repressed homosexual and has not yet managed to deal with it.
Many liberal folk are fine with you as a man if you are pro gay and feminist but if you are anti gay they say that you are repressing your gayness.Your damned if you do and damned if you dont!
i'm sure you don't enjoy being asked as to why "you men rape women" just as i don't like being asked why we women cut off men's umentionables when we get mad. two wrongs don't make a right aco. just because some closed minded people see it fit to lump all people in one category (example all men are cheating dogs, all women are conniving bitches, all kikuyu's are thieves and so on and so forth) doesn't mean that we should do the same. it will become the song that never ends and it will keep going round and round and it won't achieve much when it comes to the real issues. as you said, its unfair that all hetero men have to live with the stigma of rape but is it fair to perpetuate the same stigmas you despise against another group, be it LGBT, female or otherwise? wouldn't it be better to look at individuals and who is to blame? this is one case where "if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander" does not apply.
Aco ignore that anony person.. a fool and his ways who can gitch . from my performance with my girlfriend to being gay ..neo liberals they cant even be consistant in their train of thought.mind youits those based in europe .if you look into post you will realise this sick folks are the one who want to push their agenda down our throats . they think we have to agree with them and toe the line. the conversation/disagreement was going on well until they showed their ugly heads
@ spicebear
I am not justifying typecasting here, but I am sure that now you have a vague feeling how we men feel and will think the next time you are with your gals and you try to tar all men with the same brush.
So it's good to see that I inspired some discussion here.
@ joe
The fact that anonymus doesnt use their real name or a link makes me not take them seriously at all.I guess there are some who do not take it kindly to those who go against the widely accepted opinion.
aco i think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. you saying that
"I am not justifying typecasting here, but I am sure that now you have a vague feeling how we men feel and will think the next time you are with your gals and you try to tar all men with the same brush."
is typecasting in itself. what makes you think that all women and in this case me and me girls do is sit around and "tar all men with the same brush?" it stil doess not justify yours and joe's initial analysis of the whole situation. in fact, the way this whole comments section has turned out further proves my point that such trains of thought tend to deviate from the matter at hand.
when it comes to such controversial issues its so sad that people go anonymous. why wouldn't they back up what they said? block all anonymous comments! i sure will when i do a post on this.
@ spicebear
You seem to have lost the whole point of what came up with the comments.I dont think that all women typecast men as rapists but it is accepted and over looked.But if we cant see eye to eye on this then let's move on.
If I get more anon comments that's when I may disable anonymus comments but for now I'll let that go.
I've just read the article and I'm in shock. Most of you have already expressed the thoughts running through my mind. Our prayers and thoughts are with this poor boy. We all agree that it was a brutal criminal act, the school failed their responsibility to ensure the safety and well being of their students, the Sexual Offences Bill makes sense and will benefit both genders, and justice MUST be done.
There's more that we don't agree on as the comments that go off on a tangent prove. I'd like to point out that Joseph's comment is a great example of what's wrong with the mindset at home: taking a vital issue/situation being discussed and turning it into a personal attack on individuals with different beliefs and sprinkling the final touch, i.e. blaming 'western values' for everything. I felt both angry and amused reading the statement about 'the pro-homosexual England based KBW crew' What does being based in England or homosexuality have to do with anything? Sounds like the brutal assault went way over your head coz you missed the whole point.
@ GND
I can see that we do agree in many ways about what needs to be done and the gravity of the situation.
I do agree that some of the comments made diverted the focus from that and turned it into a slanging match.
@ Mutumia
"Why do you men rape women?"
This is a question I have been asked several times as a man so there is nothing I am making up.Being the humourus person that I am, I once told someone who asked me that that I would consider it during my next act.
Like it or not there are women who bunch all men, rapists or otherwise in the same group.There are feminists who have made it their leading cause in life to wage a war of attrition on all men.
So you may be a benign feminist who appreciates the good that men can do as you have seen in your life but not every woman thinks this way.
But as you said these sideshows are distracting us from what has happened.So let's move on...
My say on this issue:
I just read what girl next door had to say about my comments and I felt I had the need to clarify a few points she seems to be out of touch with .
“There's more that we don't agree on as the comments that go off on a tangent prove. I'd like to point out that Joseph's comment is a great example of what's wrong with the mindset at home”-
For starters I am not in Kenya. As implied. Like many other people who live outside Kenya I am just tired of people who live outside Kenya portraying us all as neo liberal gay loving Kenyans ,secondly you do have a point this mind set is indeed in Kenya and may I put it to you in the greater united states as well . Infact it is only in Europe where gay loving bishop appointing people think it is normal.
“Taking a vital issue/situation being discussed and turning it into a personal attack on individuals with different beliefs and sprinkling the final touch, i.e. blaming 'western values' for everything”.
The issue here is that the attack was carried out by gay people .trying to hide this fact is my view rather silly. As for the final touch yes homosexuality is a western European import so I am simply stating facts
“I felt both angry and amused reading the statement about 'the pro-homosexual England based KBW crew' what does being based in England or homosexuality have to do with anything?”
As I stated above being homosexual has everything to do with the issue at hand I seriously can’t comprehend how you conveniently fail to see the relationship between the two issues. as for kbw England it has everything to do with it because it is this group of people specifically in the Kenyan blogging community whose sole aim is to promote homosexuality not only with Kenyans in England but Kenyans living everywhere .
I realize that continuing to argue over this issue is a waste of time and effort. The fact is Kenyans will never allow or entertain homosexuality or European secularism. There is nothing wrong with this fact and the sooner people accept it the sooner people can move to other development conscious issues. If I came on this blog and stated that sex before marriage was wrong even those who are currently not married and having sex would not raise an eye lid because we all know the facts and trying to argue otherwise would be foolish . But if someone states that homosexuality is wrong people want to defend it. Ok say it isn’t wrong how many homosexuals are married. Are they sinning now that I put it like this? Clearly people don’t want to think they just want to look and feel western and cool. Besides homosexuality is a spirit. A Spirit that is after our nation.
I personally will not stand on the sidelines and watch minds being corrupted without giving people a chance to hear the truth as well as denounce this workers of evil that want to promote this satanic agenda
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@ joe
You have raised some good points but as usual when the bile and anger comes down they will be carried away.
I think you should use your blog to deal with this issue.
@ Joe2
I don't know if you are the real or fake joe as you have not logged on with a blogger account.
But why have you published your personal details here?The only thing you need have put down is your I.P address.
@ Joe2
read my blog and you will find I am anything but Liberal!
Acolyte Spot on the money. please ignore this childish behavior reminds me of the quick rush to poi's blog to ask what happend when the pup knew what he had been doing all along trying to look innocent .You dont even have to character assasinate this people they have no character and when things get thick .He/they run to hide behind kbw skirts letting women come to his defence like the coward he is. I Will definately use my blog to deal with this
@ mutumia
Nani kama mimi????
@ Joseph,
We're all entitled to our drastically opposite views. A homosexual ACT doesn't always stem from the same sexual orientation. As you said, "continuing to argue over this is a waste of time and effort..."
Joe,
You have just gone and exposed your ignorance on gay people.
First, Anal sex does not equal to being gay. Iam noy saying the perps of this crime are not gay( That we cant be sure of) but the fact that they raped a man does not make them gay. Have you considered that they would have raped a woman if only they had one available.
Secondly, Homosexuality is no western import. I knew I was gay long before I even understood what that meant and believe me way back in primary school in shags, I had never read aboit, seen anything on TV about or even had a discussion with anyone about it.
Thirdly, the LGBT society in Kenya is not an visible organised force which can go aroung openly commenting about it. I will let you on an insight,the MP who first visited the boy is one of us. What did you expect him to say...without him being condemned and he is doing a lot for gay people even if he is closetted.
Finally,
Rape is rape regardless on whether the victim is a man or a woman and can never be compared with consensual sex. Being is about sexuality and not about sex. I have pals who are gay and they have never had sex and have pals who are gay, in their 30's amd have never had anal sex.
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